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Published on July 9, 2008 By SplitPeaSoup In PC Gaming

In every ordered system in which it is allowed, some element or another at some point figures out it can cheat. Little kids start blaming things on their siblings, carnivores eat herbivores, and lawyers thieve from businessmen. Well, the same has happened within the software industry. Ok, I'll be the first to grant you that the music industry was never really creative in the first place. But people did want what it had to offer. In fact, they wanted crappy music enough to pay big money for a CD.

Well, usually cheaters are not such a huge problem. Usually, non-producers are a thorn in the side of progress, but not a serious impediment. Usually, however, does not apply this time. The internet is different because it gives organized powers no control over who can peep in on their ideas and content at each hop, skip, and router. They can't fight back! DRM is the one defense that creative people have, and Stardock has made a business, in part, out of not using it. Go figure.

So, it seems that the companies  working hard to produce and create can be driven extinct by a common pirate. Piracy destroys the incentive for producers to produce, and if it gets bad enough, companies will stop producing entirely. What I find most ironic about this particularly revolting peice of human nature is that the pirate never realizes that once the creative people stop making them free games, the pirates will go extinct, too.


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on Jul 10, 2008
Cobra, one of the myriad criminals on this forum postedthis site in an attemp to rationalize his crimes.
on Jul 10, 2008
democratic governmentI see. You are not a pirate. You are a liberal. My mistake. I respect that far more. I just think you are wrong and I want to see thieves burn in hell, if you don't mind. Thank you for clearing that up, though. I am all for giving the people what they want. Unless, of course, the people are stupid thieving diseased bastards. That's what makes me conservative, I guess.


Dear Lord man...



Thus far your only backup for claiming anything here is that "I don't like it" because it breaks some arbitrary rule.

You know what? Some rules, some laws, should be modified or done away with. Hell we'd still have slavery, no suffrage for women, and on and on.

In San Antonio Texas, did you know that it is illegal for more than I think it was 8 women to live in the same house because it's considered a Brothel? Do you really think that such a law should continue to exist just because it's a law?

You should look up Kohlberg's stages of moral development my friend because right now you're at a 1 on the scale.

on Jul 10, 2008
You should look up Kohlberg's stages of moral development my friend because right now you're at a 1 on the scale.


I bet he was a pirate. If the person who doesn't steal is a 1 and presumably liberals and pirates are higher, then the scale is tilted in favor of hacks and, well... liberals.

Liberals I can tolerate. They smell bad, but at least they stand for something understandable. Thieves deserve punishment. If liberals try to give thieves power (and they just might, those bastards), then hopefully conservatives will keep the gears spinning.
on Jul 10, 2008
so here's a scenario.

US government starts taking a monthly tax on the estimated oxygen usage as dictated by their age, profession, physical state (of fitness, etc.), and location, and charges all citizens with apprehending those who "steal" this air (I.E. breath without paying the tax) for public execution, you would be in favour of it because dirty thieves should burn in Hell since laws should be obeyed regardless of their nature?
on Jul 10, 2008
US government starts taking a monthly tax


that's where you made your mistake. of course i would find this appalling. The government is taxing the remaining oxygen? Dear lord! If oxygen became a scarce resource, I would hope the government would allow the free market to dictate where it went. And then thieves should be punished. After all, if someone has to die, it shouldn't be the people working to earn the remaining oxygen.
on Jul 10, 2008
Guys there is no winning or nutral ground to be found with SlyDrivel, he is one of these people in the US that cause fights just to get some kicks. all you can do is ignore him, and ask a manager of this site to restrict his useage of this fourms so we can have adult conversations. Normally i just tell people lke SlyDrivel to leave me alone, as i diel the police before finnishing dieling i explain i must hit one more button and then hell be arrested or atlest a paper trail for law suit for harrasment can be filed.
on Jul 10, 2008
SlyDrivel, I'm not a liberal, I'm a radical who likes people too much to endorse any form of violence against people, be it physical, emotional, economic, environmental, whatever. And I'm practical, and omnivorous, enough to understand that my nutrition depends on some degree of violence, at the very least tilling the earth.

I'm also a bit confused as to why you'd be so passionate about what seem to me to be very similar forms of government power. Copyright depends just as much on government to intervene in the so-called free market as would a hypothetical oxygen tax. Unless you're somehow assuming that we lose the natural atmosphere and the few remaining people all live in privately owned habitats?
on Jul 10, 2008
SlyDrivel, I'm not a liberal, I'm a radical who likes people too much to endorse any form of violence against people,


That sounds rather "open-minded" to me. See, that makes you a liberal. I am not open-minded. I know what is right, what is wrong, and which is thievery, and I intend to demand punishment for criminal actions, to the extend that those punishments deter the crimes. I dream of a nearly unrestricted free-market in which anyone with a good idea can pull himself up by his bootstraps, so I want a country in which people cannot easily take an idea from the inventor. I don't think cracking down on crime is a travesty of justice or a megalomaniac's desire. The problem is that you can't agree that piracy is a crime like any other.

Guys there is no winning or nutral ground to be found with SlyDrivel, he is one of these people in the US that cause fights just to get some kicks. all you can do is ignore him, and ask a manager of this site to restrict his useage of this fourms so we can have adult conversations. Normally i just tell people lke SlyDrivel to leave me alone, as i diel the police before finnishing dieling i explain i must hit one more button and then hell be arrested or atlest a paper trail for law suit for harrasment can be filed.


From this I can tell that you are

(a) an intenet stalker
, as i diel the police before finnishing dieling i explain i must hit one more button and then hell be arrested or atlest a paper trail for law suit for harrasment can be filed.


and

( someone who fights to get some kicks. After all, you are replying to my post. The people here are arguing with me because that's what they want to do. I am responding because that's what I want to do. It's very simple.

{edit}

whoa whoa. i just noticed this.

(c) maybe not american. "one of those people in the US"? Are you saying you are not? And if so, are you implying that the crooked police of whatever barbaric country calls you its livestock would sick its hounds on the voice of justice?

[one last edit]

I want you all to know that while I believe socialism has hurt foreign economies, my opinion of America or "The Great State of America" is largely sarcastic. We have our problems, too.






on Jul 10, 2008
Man has tried this for hundrads of years, yet it contiunes because profit is made. by both sides. in the end adaptation is the key to servival, if the product providers cant adapt they will die and a new stronger beast will emerge. (rule of evolution 101)
on Jul 10, 2008
So, basically, there is no one in this discussion who believes that digital rights should be defended? In fact, everyone here praises Stardock because they just let pirates steal from them if they want? I am confirmed in my initial belief that you are ALL pirates. I have not heard an opinion from anyone who I would assume has not and will not steal ideas.It is also interesting to have it confirmed that America's internet infrastructure is infinitely superior to the barbarian countries. Although, America does also have its faults. Some people think that anyway. I usually humm free country in my head until the bad thoughts go away.


We probably wouldn't be here if we hadn't bought a stardock game.

I bought Sins of a Solar Empire.
on Jul 10, 2008
If publishers want to stop piracy then they've got to address the things that cause it, rather than trying to stem the tide via DRM.

The issues are:

1) Poor quality games, meaning stopping the 'cookie cutter' approach to game design.

2) Poor quality support, buggy code, unfinshed products.

3) Lack of communication between developers and end users.

4) Overcharging for games outside of the US. There are tons of publishers (I mostly notice the ones that go for Digital Downloads) that assume that people will pay £35 or 35 Euros for a game that sells in the US for $35 USD. Assuming that people living outside the US will pay double the price is silly.

It's much like the failed "War on Drugs" in the 90s in the US. Floating aircraft carriers off South America, killing Colombian coca farmers and indescrimately spraying herbicides all over the place didn't do much good! Addressing the social issues behind drug use, tackling poverty at home and dealing with problems in the community is much more effective. The DRM approach to piracy will fail in the same way as the "War on Drugs" did.

If publishers want to combat piracy then they need a new approach. Otherwise it will get worse.



on Jul 10, 2008
If publishers want to stop piracy then they've got to address the things that cause it, rather than trying to stem the tide via DRM.


Piracy is caused by a potential buyer realizing that it is relatively safe to download something illegally. It doesn't matter why they are disatisfied. No one should have the casual ability to decide whether they should pay for a product. If a company makes crappy games (which none of them that hope to stay alive do), then you are entitled not to waste your time or money with them. Being disatisfied because you think it's pure crap and stealing it is a conflict of your opinion.

It's obviously not crap or you wouldn't want it enough to steal and spend time playing
on Jul 10, 2008
Just what this forum needs. Another sermon by the church of intellectual property to rally people to the cause of your holy jihad against pirates.

> That sounds rather "open-minded" to me. See, that makes you a liberal. I am not
> open-minded. I know what is right, what is wrong, and which is thievery, and I intend to
> demand punishment for criminal actions, to the extend that those punishments deter the
> crimes. I dream of a nearly unrestricted free-market in which anyone with a good idea can
> pull himself up by his bootstraps, so I want a country in which people cannot easily take
> an idea from the inventor. I don't think cracking down on crime is a travesty of justice
> or a megalomaniac's desire. The problem is that you can't agree that piracy is a crime
> like any other.

Who deemed you the supreme dictator of what is right and what is wrong?

Intellectual property and a free market are inherently incompatible. You cannot support both a free market and intellectual property because the (flawd) concept of intellectual property restricts what one can trade on the free market.

If two people invent something independently of each other in the same time frame, what right does the government or anyone have to say that one cannot bring his own invention to the market?

As long as there is "intellectual property" there is no free market.
on Jul 10, 2008
Piracy is caused by a potential buyer realizing that it is relatively safe to download something illegally.


The thing is though that people *can* copy games easily and without fear. DRM doesn't make it any more difficult for the pirate, as he can just find a crack or whatever. I think it would be pretty hard to police P2P too; if it was easy then I expect they would already be doing it.

Because of that, the publishers need to provide an incentive for people *not* to copy their stuff. They do this by addressing the issues I highlighted.

No one should have the casual ability to decide whether they should pay for a product.


People should get paid for their work, I agree. Just as I expect that software to work properly when I get it.

When a company releases crappy, buggy code and charges a heavy price for it, I have no sympathy at all when it's pirated. Infact I'd hope the damage to their bottom line provided a warning to other publishers who would release sloppy work.








on Jul 10, 2008
Shall: I've had legit CDs fail on me several times on my last computer because the CD drive was somehow bad (according to EA). I bought the games from Wal*Mart, they were legal, but the on-screen dialog box was telling me to insert the correct disc. Worked alright at the office! Hmm.


Ditto, I had one game that no matter what I tried it would not install. I finally had to give in, and DOWNLOAD a cracked copy to install with my cd-key X.x My current problem is that most games I have require "insert cd" and while I could keep a spindle next to my computer and spin through it every time I want to play a certain game I may not be able to locate it. My solution: buy a 250gb hd, and in addition to everything else, the top 10 games have "mini" images (if available) sitting on the hd loaded through dameon tools (4 at a time so I don't adjust it often).

I am very much in favor of the over internet verify legit (no image needed) but I like 1998-2002 games.
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